Daniel Paul. wrote:
The stolen myth of Adam and Eve for me tells about our past when we still had an intelligent brain, which for me is a global brain with all our faculties turned on..

John: That's my view also about the myth of Adam and Eve, and then the 'Dictator' made its appearance and we believed him ... But if that was so, how it was that a sane brain with all its faculties turned on became mesmerized with the orders of such a 'Dictator'?

Dan: Well yes the dictator, or the censor .
it seems that Krishnamurti  and David Bohm asked such question before us...I seem to know that some human had been all their faculties turned on in some long time ago past.
if what I see is right and it could be right that what we call suffering ( in fact what lies behind) is our only catalyst to go beyond thought without searching for it as thought itself cannot do that, if so there are many chances that this fails ...
thought is a powerful tool, to go beyond as we need to do, to go beyond needs a more powerful tool, not powerful in terms of fights war of course but of a powerful peaceful energy...in fact the Origin of thought..
if this tool is what lies behind what we call suffering, it is clear that no one is naturally willing to go that way, especially in our global culture which totally now ignore what it is, I mean the culture of our past 3 000 or more years, as the present one is exactly the same mentally and psychologically apart from machines,
then looking at today, this subject is just avoided at all cost since the Buddha in fact, so some 2500 years ago ish, and the awakening does not take place....as I see it in this field it is exactly like for practical capacities, we all would have different capacities, because again this world so the entire Universe of what is, is a united one by nature...
and this for stealing and controlling reasons is negated by the thieves leading those willing to follow so having renounced to their own life too, they have entirely put everything upside down; where the collective is what is first we bring the personal and where the personal is first we bring the collective first..
to make that clearer, where the unity, the collective, the togetherness etc is what sustains everything whether it is physical or non physical we, the leaders and the followers, say that what matters is "me" first and that the sum of the fights between all "me" will create a good collective...then we get war,crimes, stealing,tortures, insecurity, etc etc
and where to be alone must be, where me must be alone into the understanding of itself , here we , the leaders and the followers , we bring first a sort of collective method, organised religion, politic, psycho blah blah, global beliefs, in short we bring first some sort of fast food churches for lazy and lost learners ...
this goes round and round in circles, it is a trap in which the people of earth are caught, willingly caught...
it can well stay that way until one mad guy will commit the irrevocable mistake....then one way or another earth will get rid of a mad creature....
I have no idea which one can emerge from that...
I had a clear vision of today's world and all took place ,that was back in 1967, but from here I am totally blind...
To sum all this up yes we are seeding war permanently, all the time...for more sorrow and pain, that is our main action apart from physical survival....
so far we think that we have nothing to do with that so as it is entirely false it goes on and on .
the brexit is just a totally superficial event and only the people behind the curtain leading the EU to a totalitarian entity are worrying that the people of earth start to understand how cheated they had been..
those insane leaders can't help to be insane, they must be stopped but by who ??...are we sane ??? not at all... the leaders are just the winners of the people fight..called competition which is hiding an analytical conceptual elimination, which is an outcome of our thinking process functioning....
so without knowing that functioning again it is a trap, a cul de sac we are in..
the intellect is not going to help , so what is left to start with...? as k says start where you are, which is I am in pain, in sorrow, fearful ,frustrated etc so am in suffering....
that is for me the only starting point we have...
and with today's entertainment and chaos despite that we never had so much goods and food for most of us, the others are actually dying from starvation or under nice democratic occidental bombing, so far nothing is going to take place at a big scale so again k is definitively right changing oneself changing the world but if this is an analytical goal ,again it will lead to more pain , more suffering etc etc
the analyser is the problem as for me it is not capable to deal with all aspects of life when we are meant to become fully grow up persons.., it is a tool for childhood and for being able to deal with practical matters only and yet , it is not good enough as we see it..this tool alone is insane....
For me and I may be totally wrong but again, dukkha is the key....the only one...
and to say a bit more here, I read or had the vision, (I can't remember which one is the right one,) that because of the nature of The Ground, of the Origin with no beginning and no end and of the nature of its creation which is what we call the physical world so us, the Origin, the Ground (thanks to K and Bohm) could not make a finished product of man as then man would have been physical-mechanical only, so not able to be linked to this Origin....
to make it clear and short , it is thought itself that must yield by renouncing to its dictatorship under the pressure of what we call suffering...this is set in stone..
the Ground of all things cannot force its way into man's thought if thought has not first renounced to its leadership, the energy of the Ground is beyond imagination but in our case does not, cannot impose itself due to its very different basic nature, peaceful, compassionate, and so much more which is totally ignored ..
thought is the key...suffering is the door...or the contrary :-))
cheers ...